Minutes - CAC - 2022-03-09COSTA MESA SANITARY DISTRICT
MINUTES OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
MARCH 9, 2022
NOTE. This hybrid in person and teleconferenced meeting will utilize
electronic means consistent with State of California AssemblyM11361(Gov.
Code § 54953(b)(3)).
CAC Members present
Daniel Baume, Cindy Brenneman, Rosemarie Chora, Dickie Fernandez, Judy
Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Phil Marsh
CAC Members absent
Jeff Arbour, Mike Corcoran, Sue Lester
Board Members present
None
Staff present
Scott Carroll (General Manager), Noelani Middenway (District Clerk & Public
Information Officer), Gina Terraneo (Management Analyst II), Mark Esquer
(District Engineer)
Others present
Mike Balliet (Michael Balliet Consulting)
Meeting called to order at 6:00 P.M.
A. OPENING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Call to Order
Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC) Chair Katz called the meeting to order
at 6:00 P.M.
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Procedural: 2. Roll Call
District Clerk & Public Information Officer, Noelani Middenway, conducted
roll call. She noted that CAC Members Baume, Brenneman, Chora,
Fernandez, Gielow, Greiner, Katz, and Marsh were present, while CAC
Members Arbour, Corcoran, and Lester were not present.
Procedural: 3. Public Comments - Speakers will be limited to three minutes. The
three minutes per speaker time allotted may be extended for good cause by a
majority vote of the committee.
CAC Chair Katz opened public comments. Hearing none, she closed public
comments.
B. ITEMS
Action: 1. Approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of
January 12, 2022
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee approves the meeting
minutes as presented.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item. She discussed a few revisions to page
six of the document regarding native plants and establishing an outdoor
community space.
Motion: To approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting minutes of
January 12, 2022 with CAC Chair Katz- s requested edits.
Motion by Cindy Brenneman, second by Seth Greiner.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 8-0-3
Ayes: Daniel Baume, Cindy Brenneman, Rosemarie Chora, Dickie
Fernandez, Judy Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Phil Marsh
No: None
Not Present: Jeff Arbour, Mike Corcoran, Sue Lester
There was no further discussion.
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Action, Receive and File: 2. Receive and File Waste Composition Study #1 from
Michael Balliet Consulting
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee receives and files this
report.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item.
General Manager, Scott Carroll, provided an overview of the waste
composition study and its purpose. He noted that the District's solid waste
consultant, Mike Balliet, was not present to give the report. He stated that
the study was performed on December 8, 2021.
CAC Member Gielow requested clarification on how to properly separate
food waste.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District's public outreach efforts include
educational videos, social media campaigns, flyers, and trash cart
inspections. He encouraged the CAC to help educate their neighbors and
local community on how to properly recycle.
CAC Member Gielow asked how to dispose of diapers.
Mr. Carroll stated that diapers can be placed in the Mixed Waste Cart.
CAC Member Fernandez shared that the sticker on the lid of the Organics
Recycling Carts is very helpful in determining how to separate waste.
CAC Member Chora asked how many customers were included in the
study. She also asked if the characterization is representative of the whole
service area. She stated that sometimes more affluent areas are not entirely
representative of the community at large.
Mr. Carroll stated that he does not know how many customers were
analyzed. He stated that there are some neighborhoods with higher
diversion rates than others within the District's service area. He noted that
the study is not intended to encompass the entire District.
CAC Chair Katz asked how frequently these studies will be conducted.
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Mr. Carroll stated that two studies will be conducted every quarter. He
added that each study will analyze different trash routes in different
neighborhoods.
CAC Member Gielow stated that the stickers on the lid of the Organics
Recycling Carts contain a strip of graphics that are hard to interpret as they
have faded over time.
Mr. Carroll stated that some of the Organics Recycling Carts are about
seven years old and, therefore, the stickers are worn out. He added that the
District will work with CR&R to issue new stickers.
CAC Chair Katz recommended adding stickers to each cart of a three -cart
system.
CAC Member Chora also recommended educational literature or a kitchen
magnet that contains information about the District's Organics Recycling
Program.
Mr. Carroll shared that the District has magnets available for the pubic.
CAC Member Greiner inquired about pet waste bags.
Mr. Carroll clarified that only compostable pet waste bags can be placed in
the Organics Recycling Carts.
Discussion followed regarding diapers, pet waste, and palm fronds.
Mr. Carroll clarified that palm fronds are too fibrous for CR&R's Anaerobic
Digestion (AD) Facility and should be placed in the Mixed Waste Carts.
CAC Member Fernandez mentioned that there is new technology to convert
food waste into energy.
There was no further discussion, and the report was received.
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Action: 3. Consider Recommending the Board of Directors adopt Ordinance
No. 2022-XX Revising Chapter 9.02 of the District's Operations Code to
Provide Consistency with District's Refund Policy
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee approves
recommending the Board of Directors adopt Ordinance No. 2022-XXX revising
Chapter 9.02 of the District's Operations Code to provide consistency with
District's refund policy.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item.
Mr. Carroll suggested to pull this item from the agenda per District
Counsel's recommendation that no action is needed.
The CAC agreed to pull the item from the agenda and there was no further
discussion.
Action: 4. Popular Annual Financial Report (PAFR) for the Year Ended June
30, 2021
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee provides feedback to
staff regarding the Popular Annual Financial Report (PAFR) for the Year Ended
June 30, 2021.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item.
Mr. Carroll provided report details. He stated that the Popular Annual
Financial Report (PAFR) is a simplified and condensed version of the
Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR), which is a financial
document that represents an agency's revenues and expenditures. He
noted that every government agency is required to produce an ACFR, while
the PAFR is voluntary. He added that the District is one of few public
agencies that produce a PAFR every year. He stated that all of the District's
financial reports are available online. He expressed recognition for the
District's Finance Department.
CAC Chair Katz stated that the PAFR is well -designed and easy to
understand.
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CAC Member Fernandez congratulated the District for their transparency
efforts with the PAFR.
CAC Chair Katz asked if the District's $400,000 loss in investment earnings
had a significant impact.
Mr. Carroll stated that it was a significant loss, but it was expected due to
the COVID-19 pandemic.
There was no further discussion.
Action: S. Provide Comments and Recommendations regarding CMSD
Switching to a 3-Cart Solid Waste Collection Program
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee provides comments and
recommendations regarding CMSD switching to a 3-cart solid waste collection
program.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item.
Mr. Carroll provided report details. He stated that, according to Senate Bill
(SB) 1383, the District is required to separate organic waste from landfill
waste. He discussed the requirement of utilizing a high diversion facility
for processing organic waste. He proposed the option of transitioning from
a two -cart to a three -cart system and discussed the potential number of
carts and sizes. He reported that there are 21,118 Organics Recycling Carts
in the community. He noted that about 2,100 residential properties have
two Organics Recycling Carts. He added that the District is trying to
determine its current inventory. He reported that approximately 19.4
pounds of green waste was collected per household last year. He asked the
CAC members how many Organics Recycling Carts they have at their
residences.
CAC Chair Katz stated that she has two Organics Recycling Carts.
CAC Member Greiner stated that, in his neighborhood, most residences do
not have an Organics Recycling Cart. He noted that some residences have
one but there are no residences with two Organics Recycling Carts.
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CAC Member Fernandez stated that his residence utilizes a dumpster and
does not have space for additional waste containers. He proposed that the
new legislation may cause participation to increase in the coming year.
Discussion followed regarding kitchen pails for collecting food scraps and
educating customers about SB 1383.
Mr. Carroll discussed the potential sizes and quantities of Organics Carts
under a three -cart system: (2) 65-gallon Organics Recycling Carts, (1) 65-
gallon Organics Recycling Cart, or (1) 90-gallon Organics Recycling Cart.
CAC Chair Katz inquired about the different cart sizes.
Mr. Carroll clarified that, in a three -cart system, customers would have one
cart designated for trash and another cart designated for recyclables.
Discussion followed regarding 90-gallon trash carts.
Mike Balliet of Michael Balliet Consulting joined the meeting at 6:33 p.m.
CAC Member Gielow inquired about receiving a credit for not placing trash
carts out for weekly service. She also asked about placing organic waste
that does not fit in the Organics Recycling Cart in the Mixed Waste Carts.
Mr. Carroll stated that placing organic waste in the wrongly assigned cart
would result in a violation under SB 1383. He added that District trash
customers can request a large item pickup for their extra waste.
CAC Member Greiner noted that large item pickups need to be scheduled a
couple weeks in advance.
CAC Member Gielow asked how to collect the extra waste.
Mr. Carroll stated that the extra waste can be placed in a large trash bag.
CAC Member Chora expressed support for providing (2) 65-gallon Organics
Recycling Carts and a smaller sized cart for only trash. She stated that a
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smaller cart for trash will encourage customers to evaluate their recycling
behaviors and reduce their landfill waste.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District will not be promoting the 90-gallon trash
carts. He noted that they are intended to serve larger families.
CAC Member Chora discussed water services in comparison to trash
services and suggested a usage rate fee rather than a flat rate fee.
Mr. Carroll expressed agreement with a usage rate fee for trash services
but noted that it is difficult to determine how much waste each customer
produces.
CAC Member Greiner expressed agreement with CAC Member Chora's
suggestion of providing (2) 65-gallon Organics Recycling Carts and a
smaller cart for trash.
CAC Chair Katz inquired about additional Mixed Waste trash carts. She
asked about the additional benefits of increasing organic waste tonnage.
Mr. Carroll stated that customers can have extra trash carts for an
additional cost. He confirmed that CR&R creates renewable natural gas
from the organic waste to fuel its trash trucks.
CAC Member Brenneman shared a photo of a residence with several trash
carts. She inquired about residences with too many trash carts.
Mr. Carroll stated that CR&R maintains an inventory of additional trash
carts. He added that the District receives a portion of the revenue collected
from additional trash carts. He noted that CR&R may need to reassess their
inventory to ensure that their data is accurate.
CAC Member Brenneman shared that she has two large Mixed Waste Carts
and two small Organics Recycling Carts. She inquired about switching out
one of her Organics Recycling Carts for a larger size.
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Mr. Carroll stated that, in a three -cart system, customers will not be able to
have multiple Mixed Waste Carts. He clarified that customers would have
one cart for recyclables and one cart for landfill waste.
CAC Member Brenneman discussed the importance of educating the public
about recycling.
CAC Member Gielow shared that she has one small Organics Recycling Cart
and expressed interest in receiving another one.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District can submit a request for an additional
Organics Recycling Cart for her residence.
CAC Member Marsh inquired about the size of the recycling carts.
Mr. Carroll stated that the recycling carts will be 90-gallon carts.
CAC Member Gielow discussed trash carts based on family sizes.
CAC Chair Katz asked if the carts that are going to be removed from
residences will be recycled.
Mr. Carroll proposed that CR&R will keep those carts as additional
inventory.
CAC Chair Katz expressed support for the three -cart system and for
supplying 90-gallon carts for customers with limited storage space.
CAC Member Chora stated that most single-family residences have enough
space to store additional carts. She noted that 90-gallon trash carts can be
hard to maneuver when they are filled.
CAC Member Fernandez stated that new residential construction projects
do not have enough space available for trash cart storage. He inquired
about providing both trash cart options.
Mr. Carroll discussed the residential construction process between the
District and the City of Costa Mesa.
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District Engineer, Mark Esquer, discussed City planning codes for storing
trash carts.
CAC Member Greiner discussed the Organics Recycling Program and
compostable bags. He suggested a three -cart system in which customers
have one cart for recyclables, one cart for landfill, and up to two carts (of
varying size) for organic waste.
CAC Chair Katz and Members Marsh and Fernandez expressed support for
CAC Member Greiner's suggestion.
CAC Member Marsh stressed the importance of communication and public
outreach to ensure that customers are aware of the District's trash services.
There was no further discussion.
Action: 6. Determine the Feasibility and Provide Recommendation Regarding
of a Biomass Conversion Project
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee directs staff to continue
this item for the FY 2022-23 Work Plan.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item.
Mr. Carroll requested to continue this item for the CAC's 2022-23 workplan.
He noted that the District is currently in contract negotiations with CR&R
and has yet to conduct research regarding a biomass conversion project.
There was no further discussion and the item was continued.
C. CLOSING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Committee Member Comments
CAC Chair Katz thanked the outgoing CAC members for their service. She
shared that the instructions to reapply are posted on the District's website.
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CAC Member Greiner shared that he has learned a lot of valuable
information from participating on the CAC. He expressed support for the
CAC as a tool for the District to receive public input.
CAC Member Brenneman requested to adjourn the meeting in honor of
Gladys Refakes, a prominent community member who recently passed
away.
There was no further discussion.
Procedural: 2. Board/Staff Comments
None.
Procedural: 3. Adjournment
CAC Chair Katz adjourned the meeting at 7:03 P.M in honor of Gladys
Refakes and stated that the next CAC meeting is scheduled for May 11,
2022.
Elodie Katz
Citizens Advisory Committee Chair