Minutes - CAC - 2021-11-10
COSTA MESA SANITARY DISTRICT
MINUTES OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
NOVEMBER 10, 2021
NOTE: THIS HYBRID IN-PERSON AND TELECONFERENCED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED
UTILIZING ELECTRONIC MEANS CONSISTENT WITH STATE OF CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY BILL
361 (GOV. CODE 54953(B)(3)).
CAC Members present
Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Rosemarie Chora, Dickie Fernández, Judy Gielow, Seth
Greiner, Elodie Katz, Sue Lester, Phil Marsh
CAC Members absent
Cindy Brenneman, Mike Corcoran
Board Members present
Bob Ooten
Staff present
Scott Carroll (General Manager), Noelani Middenway (District Clerk & Public
Information Officer), Alan Burns (District Counsel), Mark Esquer (District
Engineer), Gina Terraneo (Management Analyst II)
Others present
Anthony Elowsky, Robert D. Niehaus, Inc.
Ichiko Kido, Robert D. Niehaus, Inc.
Meeting called to order at 6:00 P.M.
A. OPENING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Call to Order
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Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC) Chair Katz called the meeting to order at
6:00 P.M.
Procedural: 2. Roll Call
District Clerk & Public Information Officer, Noelani Middenway, conducted
roll call. She noted that CAC Members Arbour, Baume, Chora, Fernández,
Gielow, Greiner, Katz, Lester, and Marsh were present while CAC Members
Corcoran and Brenneman were not present.
Procedural: 3. Public Comments - Speakers will be limited to three minutes. The
three minutes per speaker time allotted may be extended for good cause by a
majority vote of the committee.
CAC Chair Katz opened public comments. Hearing none, she closed public
comments.
B. ITEMS
Introduction: 1. Introduction and Welcome Rosemarie Chora to the Citizens
Advisory Committee
CAC Chair Katz welcomed Rosemarie Chora to the CAC.
There was no further discussion.
Action: 2. Provide Direction to the Board of Directors Regarding 2021
Wastewater Rate Study
Recommendation: Review and Comment on the 2021 Wastewater Rate Study
Results.
General Manager, Scott Carroll, introduced the item. He stated that
wastewater rate studies are periodically performed to determine if the
District is generating enough revenue for its expenditures. He shared that
the last wastewater rate study was performed about ten years ago and that
the last wastewater rate adjustment was in 2017. He added that, in the last
five years, District expenditures have been exceeding its revenues, and the
District has been using reserve funds to balance its wastewater budget for
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Fiscal Years 2021-22 and 2022-23. He discussed the bidding process for the
2021 Wastewater Rate Study and noted that the District awarded the
contract to Robert D. Niehaus, Inc. (RDN). He stated that RDN presented the
2021 Wastewater Rate Study to the Board of Directors at yesterday’s Study
Session. He shared that the Board is interested in knowing how the proposed
rates correlate with inflation and the total percentage of wastewater rate
increase in comparison with other Orange County agencies. He introduced
RDN’s Project Manager, Ichiko Kido.
Ms. Kido presented the findings of the 2021 Wastewater Rate Study. She
discussed the key assumptions, including account growth projections of 160
to 200 new accounts per year, the City of Costa Mesa’s housing need of 11,760
additional homes by 2029, and large increases in accessory dwelling units
(ADUs) in the coming years due to Assembly Bill (AB) 68. She noted that the
study attempts to establish an ADU sewer charge based on growth
projections. She discussed escalation factors, such as overall inflation,
capital improvement projects (CPIs), utilities, equipment, personnel, fuels
and automobiles, construction, and insurance expenses. She displayed the
current rates, which distinguish between residential (single family and
multi-family) and non-residential (commercial and industrial) properties.
Ms. Kido compared revenue and expenditure projections from Fiscal Year
2020-21 to Fiscal Year 2026-27. She discussed key operating and capital
outlay expenses, such as two additional Wastewater Maintenance Workers,
general engineering support and resources, flow meter rental and cloud
access, IT security maintenance and monitoring, a combination cleaning
unit, a pickup truck, and a forklift. She reviewed the District’s capital
improvement projects (CIPs) for the next five to ten years. She explained
revenue requirements and the proposed revenue adjustments which
require a 9.9% increase to balance the Wastewater budget. She noted that, if
the District does not implement a rate adjustment, then their reserves will
be depleted by Fiscal Year 2026-27. She added that if a 9.9% rate increase is
implemented, then the District will have about $10 million dollars in
reserves, which is a healthy reserve level for the District’s size. She discussed
the purpose of the District’s operating reserve fund. She reviewed the
District’s 2012 Wastewater Rate Study and the flow estimates used for that
study. She noted that, according to the District’s 2020 Master Plan, flow
estimates have reduced from 11.1 million gallons per day (gpd) to 8.6 million
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gpd. She discussed the study’s analysis of household size gpd and stated that
the weighted average is 2.95 per single family home, 2.52 per multi-family
home, 2.39 per trailer home, and 1.25 per ADU. She reviewed the study’s cost
of service analysis, which determined the percentage of revenue
requirements for which each customer class is responsible. She presented
the five-year wastewater rate schedule and noted that each rate is set at its
maximum value. She explained current and proposed median billing units
for commercial and industrial properties. She discussed the impact of rapid
growth projections on rate increases. She presented a rate comparison with
other agencies and stated that the District will be maintaining one of the
lowest rate structures with the proposed rate increases.
CAC Member Chora inquired about the District’s previous wastewater study.
Mr. Carroll stated that the last wastewater rate study was performed in 2012.
Discussion followed regarding the timelines of wastewater rate studies.
CAC Vice Chair Lester asked if the District can decrease the amounts of the
proposed rates, and she inquired about the Proposition 218 hearing.
Mr. Carroll clarified that the proposed rates are based on the District’s
projected expenditures for the next five years. He noted that if the CAC finds
the proposed rates to be too high, then they can recommend lowering the
amounts of the rate increases.
CAC Vice Chair Lester commented that the 2021 Wastewater Rate Study
provided an overwhelming amount of information. She inquired about
historical data on other agencies’ wastewater rate increases.
Mr. Carroll stated that historical data was included in RDN’s presentation.
Ms. Kido shared the graphic indicating the percentage increases in rates of
other local agencies from Fiscal Years 2016-2017 to 2021-2022.
Anthony Elowsky of RDN explained the data and noted that, over the last
four years, the District has only had about 4% of rate increases compared to
other agencies. He added that most other agencies have performed rate
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studies within the last four years and that some of the agencies are currently
in the process of a scheduled rate increase. He shared that the City of San
Juan Capistrano is experiencing a rate increase of about 230%.
Mr. Carroll shared that the City of San Juan Capistrano’s water and
wastewater utilities have been annexed to the Santa Margarita Water
District.
CAC Vice Chair Lester thanked RDN for the information.
Discussion followed regarding other agencies’ rate increases.
CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that the graphic provides a frame of reference
for the District’s proposed rate increases.
Mr. Carroll stated that, although the percentage increase may appear high,
the dollar value is still comparatively low.
CAC Vice Chair Lester suggested for the graphic to be shared with the public
on the District’s website.
Mr. Carroll noted that it will be included in the agenda for the Board’s Special
Meeting scheduled for November 16, 2021.
CAC Member Greiner inquired about a different chart comparison regarding
regional rates.
Mr. Carroll recommended reading other agencies’ wastewater rate studies
to get a better understanding of their rate increases. He noted that most
agencies with higher rates are not members of the Orange County Sanitation
District (OCSD).
Ms. Kido noted that some of the agencies with higher rates provide collection
and treatment services. She added that each agency has their own
justification for their rates. She stated that the District has one of the lowest
rates that she has ever analyzed.
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CAC Member Greiner stated that it would be helpful to identify the costs
affecting other agencies’ rates. He suggested performing a case study on
another agency.
CAC Member Fernández stated that most other agencies are trying to rectify
previous spending habits. He noted that most agencies included in the graph
are smaller agencies with smaller pipes that are more susceptible to
infiltration. He added that capital improvement projects can largely affect
rate adjustments. He discussed the District’s most recent historical
expenditures which required the use of reserves. He stated that the District’s
budget is insufficient and shows the need for a rate adjustment. He
expressed recognition for RDN’s study and presentation. He commented
that, as a resident, he is glad that the District’s rates are not as high as the
City of Newport Beach’s rates.
CAC Member Greiner expressed recognition for RDN’s study and
recommended adding more detailed information to the graph reflecting
regional rates.
CAC Member Fernández stated that some agencies may be experiencing
intangible costs because of the COVID-19 pandemic and supply chain issues.
He noted that there have been significant increases in construction, labor,
and insurance costs and development rates.
CAC Member Gielow inquired about evaporation, such as water that dries
before reaching the sewer system.
Mr. Elowsky stated that the overuse of water is a concern for Mesa Water
District. He noted that evaporated water is not considered as a cost in the
study.
CAC Member Gielow stated that single family homes are labeled as a group
even though there are different household sizes. She shared that most of the
people in her neighborhood are widows and widowers. She added that
homes with single residents are adversely affected by these costs.
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CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that single residents subsidize homes with more
residents. She discussed the effects of population and household sizes on
rates.
Ms. Kido stated that it is possible to include variable components in the rates.
She shared that her primary goal was to develop rates that will recover
revenue and be equitable among customer classes.
CAC Member Chora stated that it is difficult to understand the information
based on how the graphs are labeled. She added that the graph does not
clearly state how certain rates are applied, nor does it compare agencies on
a similar basis. She noted that the District must ensure that there are
sufficient rates available to comply with new regulations and that, even if
the District has a low rate, it may receive fines and fees if it is not compliant.
She stated that her biggest concern is significant increases in rates for multi-
family properties and trailers, which are predominantly occupied by low-
income and senior residents. She inquired about the differences between the
2012 and 2021 rate studies.
Ms. Kido stated that, in 2012, the District estimated per person usage to be 40
gallons per day for multi-family properties and trailers. She explained that
RDN found it hard to justify this estimation. She shared that their resources
showed that multi-family properties and trailer usage is the same as all other
customers. She noted that RDN would have to argue that multi-family
properties and trailers use less than the average person to offer a lower rate.
CAC Member Chora asked if the age of the property and fixture flow rates
have been considered for each customer class.
Ms. Kido stated that newer homes have more efficient appliances and that
older homes may use older appliances that take more inflow. She suggested
adding more information to the presentation that explains the difference in
rates.
CAC Member Chora expressed support for Ms. Kido’s suggestion.
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Mr. Carroll stated that most of the agencies listed in the rate comparison do
not have a rate for treatment services. He discussed the differences between
agencies that utilize OCSD and agencies located in South Orange County.
CAC Member Baume inquired about the projected new accounts that have
been factored into the proposed rates.
Ms. Kido stated that the District is projected to have 166-172 new accounts
annually based on historical trends.
Discussion followed regarding account growth and tonight’s meeting
agenda.
Mr. Carroll inquired about a recommendation from the CAC to the Board.
CAC Chair Katz asked if a Proposition 218 hearing meeting requires townhall
meetings.
Mr. Carroll stated that there will be two more meetings with the Board and
a public hearing. He added that District customers will receive a mailed
notice regarding the proposed rates and their right to protest them. He noted
that if the District does not receive a majority protest, then the rates will go
into effect in July 2022.
Discussion followed regarding the upcoming Board meetings.
CAC Chair Katz requested for comparison data from other agencies to be
included in the report.
Motion: To recommend that the Board of Directors proceed with the
proposed rate increases through the next five years and that Robert D.
Niehaus, Inc. provides a rate comparison with data from other agencies.
Motion by Sue Lester, second by Phil Marsh.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 9-0-0-2
Ayes: Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Rosemarie Chora, Dickie Fernández, Judy
Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Sue Lester, Phil Marsh
No: None
Abstain: None
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Not Present: Cindy Brenneman, Mike Corcoran
Action: 3. Approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of
September 8, 2021
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee approves the meeting
minutes as presented.
CAC Chair Katz presented the CAC meeting minutes of September 8, 2021.
Motion: To approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of
September 8, 2021 as presented.
Motion by Phil Marsh, second by Judith Gielow.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 8-0-1-2
Ayes: Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Rosemarie Chora, Dickie Fernández, Judy
Gielow, Seth Greiner, Sue Lester, Phil Marsh
No: None
Abstain: Elodie Katz
Not Present: Cindy Brenneman, Mike Corcoran
There was no further discussion.
Discussion: 4. Review and Comment on the September 2021 Cart-to-Cart
Outreach Results
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee receive and file this
report.
The CAC agreed to move this item to the agenda for their next meeting.
There was no further discussion.
Discussion: 5. Review and Comment on Proposed Senate Bill 1383 – Mandatory
Organic Waste Disposal Reduction
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee review and comment on
the proposed ordinance and recommend the Board of Directors consider adopting
the ordinance.
Mr. Carroll provided report details and discussed Senate Bill (SB) 1383. He
stated that the Board reviewed the draft ordinance yesterday. He noted that
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the public comments provided by District resident, Jim Mosher, were shared
with the Board and the CAC. He added that the District is seeking a
recommendation and feedback from the CAC to the Board.
CAC Member Fernández stated that some residential properties do not have
enough storage space for additional carts. He shared that a City of Costa
Mesa meeting in October discussed a variance request for residences that
cannot fit more trash carts. He asked if the District has discussed this
concern.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District has discussed that topic, but every
residential property must have an Organics Recycling Cart. He shared that
CalRecycle has stated that no properties are exempt from this requirement.
He noted that the District and the City will be working together to make
space for additional trash carts.
CAC Vice Chair Lester asked if the City has addressed multi-family properties
that are not serviced by the District.
Mr. Carroll stated that the City is aware of the constraints with multi-family
properties. He shared that they have also adopted an SB 1383 ordinance. He
added that the City has to work with the multi-family properties to ensure
that they have enough space for organic waste dumpsters.
CAC Vice Chair Lester inquired about City and District code enforcement
protocols.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District has two years until enforcement is
required. He added that the District will be focusing on educating the public
before enacting enforcement and will be collaborating with the Cities of
Newport Beach and Costa Mesa to determine which agency will be leading
enforcement. He noted that the District has the right to issue citations, but
that they need to discuss their protocols in further detail.
CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that the rules regarding enforcement were
confusing in the draft ordinance. She expressed support for Mr. Mosher’s
comments and stated that a fine of $250 dollars is excessive for the first
violation.
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Mr. Carroll stated that the draft ordinance is consistent with the District’s
fines for trash carts in public view. He noted that the fine for a first violation
is $75 dollars.
CAC Member Chora asked how the District has ensured that the draft
ordinance is compliant.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District worked with its solid waste consultant,
Mike Balliet, who is also the solid waste consultant for the City. He shared
that Mr. Balliet drafted the ordinance according to the State’s model.
CAC Member Gielow stated that the draft ordinance says that residents will
be fined for violations.
Discussion followed regarding violations and fines.
CAC Chair Katz inquired about the next steps for this ordinance.
Mr. Carroll stated that District Counsel, Alan Burns, and CR&R are reviewing
the ordinance. He announced that it will be presented to the Board at the
November Board meeting.
Discussion followed regarding enforcement and trash cart inspections.
CAC Member Gielow inquired about warning notices on trash carts.
Mr. Carroll discussed the District’s Cart-to-Cart outreach program.
Motion: To recommend that the Board of Directors consider adopting the
proposed ordinance.
Motion by Jeff Arbour, second by Judith Gielow.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 9-0-0-2
Ayes: Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Rosemarie Chora, Dickie Fernández, Judy
Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Sue Lester, Phil Marsh
No: None
Abstain: None
Not Present: Cindy Brenneman, Mike Corcoran
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CAC Chair Katz asked if there will be another opportunity to review the
ordinance after legal review.
Mr. Carroll stated that the ordinance will be reviewed before being
presented at the November Board meeting.
Mr. Burns stated that the definitions in the ordinance are listed verbatim
from the State regulations.
There was no further discussion.
C. CLOSING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Committee Member Comments
CAC Vice Chair Lester asked why the CAC has not reviewed the CR&R
benchmark progress report.
Mr. Carroll stated that the report is available on the website.
CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that the report focuses on reducing customer
complaints, but does not report the actual number of missed pickups that
are being submitted by customers. She shared that she submitted missed
trash pickup complaints for nine streets, which should equate to hundreds
of missed pickups. She proposed that customers may get tired of
complaining if missed trash pickups keep occurring. She recommended
ensuring that these complaints are being recorded correctly so that the
Board considers this issue when determining if CR&R should receive a
Consumer Price Index (CPI) increase.
Mr. Carroll stated that he will discuss this concern with District staff.
There was no further discussion.
Procedural: 2. Board/Staff Comments
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Ms. Middenway reminded the CAC about the District’s ongoing Household
Hazardous Waste (HHW) campaign. She encouraged the CAC members to
share information about the District’s HHW program.
There was no discussion.
Procedural: 3. Adjournment
CAC Chair Katz adjourned the meeting at 7:34 P.M and stated that the next
CAC meeting is scheduled for January 12, 2022.
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Elodie Katz
Citizens Advisory Committee Chair