Minutes - CAC - 2021-07-14COSTA MESA SANITARY DISTRICT
MINUTES OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
JULY 14, 2021
(TELECONFERENCE MEETING VIA ZOOM)
NOTE: THIS MEETING WAS CONDUCTED UTILIZING TELECONFERENCING PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION
54952.2 AND THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN EFFECT WAIVING SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT
SECTION.
CAC Members present
Mike Corcoran, Dickie Fernandez, Judy Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Sue
Lester, Phil Marsh
CAC Members absent
Jeff Arbour, Cindy Brenneman, Daniel Baume, Andrew Nielson
Board Members present
None
Staff present
Scott Carroll (General Manager), Noelani Middenway (District Clerk & Public
Information Officer), Mark Esquer (District Engineer), Gina Terraneo
(Management Analyst II)
Others present
Joe Jenkins, EEC Environmental
Meeting called to order at 6:04 P.M.
A. OPENING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Call to Order
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Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC) Chair Katz called the meeting to order at
6:04 P.M.
Procedural: 2. Roll Call
District Clerk & Public Information Officer, Noelani Middenway, conducted
roll call. She noted that CAC Members Corcoran, Ferndndez, Greiner, Katz,
Lester, and Marsh were present while CAC Members Arbour, Baume,
Brenneman, Gielow, and Nielson were not present. CAC Member Gielow
joined the meeting at 7:02 p.m.
Procedural: 3. Public Comments - Speakers will be limited to three minutes. The
three minutes per speaker time allotted may be extended for good cause by a
majority vote of the committee.
CAC Chair Katz opened public comments.
Ms. Middenway stated that no written comments were received for the CAC
to review and that no members of the public have requested to submit a
public comment.
CAC Member Corcoran stated that he has comments to share under
Committee Comments.
Hearing no members of the public wishing to speak, CAC Chair Katz closed
public comments.
B. ITEMS
Action: 1. Approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of May
12, 2021
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee approves the meeting
minutes as presented.
CAC Chair Katz presented the CAC meeting minutes of May 12, 2021.
Motion: To approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of
May 12, 2021 as presented.
Motion by Sue Lester, second by Elodie Katz.
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Final Resolution: Motion carries 6-0-0-5
Ayes: Mike Corcoran, Dickie Ferndndez, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Sue
Lester, Phil Marsh
No: None
Abstain: None
Not Present: Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Cindy Brenneman, Judy Gielow,
Andrew Nielson
There was no further discussion.
Action: 2. Consider Approving 2021-22 Goals and Objectives Schedule
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee approves the 2021-22
Goals and Objective Schedule.
CAC Chair Katz introduced the item.
General Manager, Scott Carroll, presented report details. He stated that,
according to the CAC Handbook, the CAC Chair meets with the General
Manager and Board President to discuss the CAC's workplan for the
upcoming year. He shared that CAC Chair Katz met with him and President
Ooten on June 25, 2021 and developed the attached plan. He asked the CAC
to provide their edits and recommendations. He noted that the workplan is
not finalized and that the timeline can be adjusted. He stated that the Citizen
Survey feedback will be presented to the CAC in November 2021. He shared
that the request for proposals (RFP) for that item was issued today. He added
that the District is hoping to have the Citizen Survey consultant engage with
the CAC regarding survey questions in the next few months. He noted that
the Board has reviewed this item and did not provide any comments or
suggestions.
CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that no events are currently scheduled due to
the COVID-19 pandemic but that the District usually participates in
community events. She inquired about any anticipated events. She
suggested including these items to the schedule so that the CAC will be
involved.
Mr. Carroll stated that he is unsure about any upcoming events. He shared
that the City of Costa Mesa is hosting a concert in the park at the end of July
2021 and that it is not sponsored by the Costa Mesa Foundation. He noted
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that the City is looking for sponsors but is not allowing community
organizations like the District to participate for free. He added that the
District is working on another virtual Citizens Environmental Protection
Academy (CEPA) event for this year. He stated that the District is considering
a hybrid approach for this event with a virtual segment and in -person tours.
CAC Chair Katz recommended revisiting the topic of events once places
begin to reopen to the public.
Mr. Carroll confirmed that the 2021-22 Goals and Objectives Schedule is a
working document intended to provide guidance for the upcoming year.
Motion: To approve the 2021-22 Goals and Objectives Schedule.
Motion by Sue Lester, second by Elodie Katz.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 6-0-0-5
Ayes: Mike Corcoran, Dickie Fernandez, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz, Sue
Lester, Phil Marsh
No: None
Abstain: None
Not Present: Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Cindy Brenneman, Judy Gielow,
Andrew Nielson
There was no discussion.
Discussion: 3. CMSD Fats Oil Grease (FOG) Annual Assessment
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee receives presentation
from Joe Jenkins, of EEC Environmental, about the District's FOG Program and
provides input to staff.
Mr. Carroll introduced this item. He stated that the State of California
requires wastewater agencies that manage a sewer system of one mile or
more to have a waste discharge permit. He added that the permit requires
agencies to implement a Fats, Oils, and Grease (FOG) control program.
Specifically, he noted that this program is aimed at controlling the amount
of grease discharged by restaurants that enters the District's sewer system.
He stated that FOG can clog the sewer system and cause sanitary sewer
overflows (SSO). He shared that the District contracts with EEC
Environmental to manage their FOG control program and he introduced Joe
Jenkins of EEC Environmental.
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Mr. Jenkins stated that EEC Environmental provides an annual assessment
of the District's FOG program for review and improvement. He discussed the
elements of the FOG program: conduct risk -based food service establishment
(FSE) inspections, FOG program education and outreach, enforcement
coordination, data management, plan review, source characterization, and
enhanced maintenance locations (EML). He explained the elements of FSE
inventory management, inspection frequency criteria and modifications,
EML reduction, FOG discharge mitigation, key program trends, and program
recommendations.
CAC Member Greiner inquired about the trend chart and asked if EEC
Environmental has any indications regarding how successful their
interventions and trainings have been in relation to the trend.
Mr. Jenkins stated that more people were eating at home in 2019-2020 due
to the COVID-19 pandemic, which resulted in an increase in residential FOG.
He stated that it is challenging to significantly impact residential
communities from a FOG outreach standpoint. He shared that FOG outreach
material is available, but that it is typically provided after a specific issue is
identified. He noted that EEC assesses if certain trends are isolated incidents
or recurring issues. He discussed contributing factors, such as educating
FSEs and proactive cleaning by the District's Wastewater Department.
CAC Member Greiner recommended providing a chart that shows non-
residential versus residential FOG trends.
Mr. Jenkins stated that, generally, these programs have more success with
businesses rather than residential areas. He noted that it is more difficult to
change people's behavior regarding FOG waste.
Mr. Carroll shared that, this past year, the District published a series of
public service announcements (PSA) on how to properly dispose of FOG at
home. He added that this information was included in the District's bilingual
newsletter. He stated that the District has a partnership with Orange Coast
College to accept FOG for recycling. He noted that this partnership is more
heavily promoted during the holiday season.
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CAC Vice Chair Lester inquired if the District regulates or oversees the FOG
waste produced by the Orange County Fair at the Fairgrounds.
Mr. Jenkins stated that all areas that permanently connect to the District's
sewer system are in EEC's database. He noted that EEC does not necessarily
inspect the Fairgrounds during the OC Fair. He explained that if the OC Fair
was identified as an issue area, then EEC would inspect it.
CAC Member Fernandez discussed the trend chart and asked about the
volume of the largest SSO.
Mr. Jenkins stated that he does not have that information readily available,
but that he believes that there were a few spills with a volume of 50,000 to
70,000 gallons.
Mr. Carroll stated that the largest SSO occurred within the Elden Force Main
inside the Mesa Bridge, which was about 7,100 gallons.
CAC Member Fernandez stated that, relatively speaking, a spill of 7,100
gallons is not large. He shared that the recent spill by the Hyperion Water
Reclamation Plant in Los Angeles was 17 million gallons. He noted that the
agency will be receiving a fine in excess of $170 million from the State. He
commented that the District is doing a great job with their FOG program.
Discussion followed regarding the spill by the Hyperion Water Reclamation
Plant and its impact on the agency.
CAC Chair Katz asked if there is any protocol for recycling the grease from
interceptors.
Mr. Jenkins stated that grease interceptors usually collect "brown grease,"
which cannot always be recycled, unless it is taken to an Anaerobic Digestor
(AD) facility. He added that some waste haulers will take this grease to the
Orange County Sanitation District (OCSD) or different facilities. He stated
that "yellow grease" from deep fryers is more likely to be recycled into
biodiesel or animal feed. He also discussed "orange grease," which is
sometimes mixed with "yellow grease" or recycled into a separate bin.
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Mr. Carroll stated that the AD technology that CR&R Environmental Services
uses to collect the District's organic waste can also accept FOG and convert
it into renewable natural gas.
Mr. Jenkins stated that "orange grease" is a good commodity for grease -to -
energy programs because it is cleaner than "brown grease."
CAC Chair Katz asked if waste haulers are obligated to recycle yellow grease.
Mr. Jenkins stated that they are not obligated to do so.
CAC Chair Katz asked why some FSEs do not have a grease interceptor. She
inquired if it is due to the cost or their inability to install one.
Mr. Jenkins stated that some businesses do not have one due to the cost. He
noted that they are very expensive to retrofit.
CAC Chair Katz asked if there are programs to help businesses afford grease
interceptors.
Mr. Jenkins stated that there are no programs of that kind. He shared that
the District looked into a grease interceptor assistance program, but there is
a lot of liability that comes with it. He noted that businesses can get a
business loan to purchase one.
There was no further discussion, and the report was received.
Discussion: 4. Review and Comment on Performance Measurement
Benchmarks for CR&R Environmental Services
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee provides comments
regarding the Performance Measurement Benchmarks for CR&R Environmental
Services
Mr. Carroll presented the item. He stated that, at the June Study Session, the
Board denied CR&R's request for a rate adjustment, but decided to revisit the
item in six months. He added that the Board directed District staff to develop
benchmarks to assess if CR&R's performance improves. He noted that he
presented this item to the Board yesterday, and they made some revisions to
the report. He discussed the performance measurement benchmarks.
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CAC Vice Chair Lester asked if there is anything related to when a customer's
service is delayed and CR&R's timeframe for addressing a missed trash
pickup.
Mr. Carroll stated that, typically, CR&R will try to address missed trash
pickups on the same day or the next day. He noted that if the missed pickup
occurred on a Friday, then it may not be serviced until the following
Monday. He reported that the District has after-hours contacts with CR&R so
that drivers can provide service on Saturdays. He stated that the District's
goal is to have missed pickups addressed within 24 hours.
CAC Vice Chair Lester discussed trash service issues in her mother's
neighborhood. She stated that CR&R has until 6:00 p.m. to pick up trash carts,
but that if it is missed, then a customer cannot report it until the next day.
She noted that this issue has been somewhat resolved, but it is usually the
Organics Recycling Cart that is not serviced on time.
Mr. Carroll shared that District staff and the Board discussed how to improve
their communications with CR&R.
CAC Member Corcoran stated that CR&R should address missed pickups in
two or three hours rather than within two to three hours for clarification.
He inquired about the reasoning for benchmark #1 regarding fleet age.
Mr. Carroll stated that CR&R's fleet that services the District's community is
outdated. He noted that the lifespan for a refuse truck is about 10 years. He
added that refuse trucks that are 8-10 years old experience more
breakdowns. He stated that CR&R has agreed to replace old vehicles
servicing the District.
CAC Member Greiner suggested for truck breakdowns to be included as a
performance metric. He stated that the age of a truck fleet is a more indirect
metric.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District uses this because it is one of the metrics
used in CR&R's audit. He commented that CR&R may not be honest about the
number of breakdowns. He noted that District staff can explore that option.
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CAC Member Greiner stated that an indirect metric may provide a false
sense of security.
CAC Member Corcoran suggested using mileage instead of years as the
metric.
Mr. Carroll stated that heavy-duty trucks are usually better assessed by their
number of operational hours rather than mileage.
CAC Vice Chair Lester inquired about recording CR&R requests. She asked if
the GoCMSD application is the best tool for tracking service issues.
Mr. Carroll confirmed that the District's GovOutreach application is the best
tool for documenting CR&R requests and issues.
CAC Vice Chair Lester inquired if the District documents issues and requests
that are not submitted via the GoCMSD app.
Mr. Carroll stated that District staff records phone requests and issues into
the GovOutreach system also.
CAC Chair Katz discussed benchmark #2. She asked if the phone number to
call for missed pickups connects customers to CR&R or the District. She
recommended including the District's GoCMSD app information on the
website.
Discussion followed the records used for developing benchmark #2.
CAC Chair Katz asked how the District notifies the public about service
delays.
Mr. Carroll stated the District can use social media and email to notify
customers of delays. He added that the District is exploring other options like
NextDoor. He noted that NextDoor does not recognize special district as
essential services. He shared that the California Special Districts Association
(CSDA) is lobbying to have NextDoor include special districts.
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CAC Vice Chair Lester asked if the benchmarks are the minimum
measurement for CR&R to be considered for a Consumer Price Index (CPI)
increase.
Mr. Carroll stated that District staff considers these benchmarks to be the
requirement for District staff to recommend a CPI increase to the Board.
CAC Chair Katz asked if CR&R has updated their fleet to include only
renewable natural gas (RNG) vehicles.
Mr. Carroll stated that CR&R has resolved that matter and that each truck
operates using RNG.
CAC Member Gielow entered the meeting at 7:02 p.m.
CAC Member Gielow stated that she is concerned about this topic from the
financial perspective for the public. She asked if costs can be reduced for
customers that wish to have their trash collected every other week.
Mr. Carroll stated that he does not have an answer for that inquiry. He noted
that the next item on the agenda regards the Solid Waste Ad Hoc Committee,
which can explore a senior discount for trash services. He noted that he is
unsure of how the District would implement that program.
CAC Member Gielow stated that she only places her carts out for service
every other week, but that she pays the same rate as other customers.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District will explore that topic.
CAC Member Greiner shared that landscaping companies sometimes service
a company every other week to help their customers save money. He
expressed support for exploring this topic.
CAC Chair Katz suggested including this item as a survey question for the
Citizen Survey.
There was no further discussion.
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Action: 5. Consider Appointing One Citizen Advisory Committee Member to
Serve on the Solid Waste Ad Hoc Committee
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee appoints one member to
serve on the Solid Waste Ad Hoc Committee.
Mr. Carroll presented the item. He stated that the Solid Waste Ad Hoc
Committee consists of two Board members and two CAC members. He
shared that, in the past, CAC Chair Katz and CAC Member Fields represented
the CAC. He noted that the District needs a new CAC member to replace CAC
Member Fields, since he is no longer on the CAC. He added that the Solid
Waste Ad Hoc Committee is scheduled to meet next week. He stated that the
Committee decides the frequency of their meetings. He noted that he
predicts the Committee to be very active as there are many solid waste topics
to discuss.
CAC Chair Katz welcomed volunteers.
CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that she would like to serve on the Committee
but that she accepted a contract job that requires her to work at night. She
noted that she will be unable to participate for the next month but that she
is interested in the Committee.
Ms. Middenway noted that the next meeting is scheduled for 8:00 a.m.
CAC Member Gielow asked if the meeting will be held via Zoom.
Ms. Middenway stated that the meeting will be via Zoom on July 22, 2021.
CAC Member Corcoran volunteered to serve on the Committee.
Motion: To appoint CAC Member Mike Corcoran to serve on the Solid Waste
Ad Hoc Committee.
Motion by Elodie Katz, second by Sue Lester.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 7-0-0-4
Ayes: Mike Corcoran, Dickie Fernandez, Judy Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie
Katz, Sue Lester, Phil Marsh
No: None
Abstain: None
Not Present: Jeff Arbour, Daniel Baume, Cindy Brenneman, Andrew Nielson
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There was no discussion.
Discussion: 6. Review and Comment on CMSD's Redesigned Website
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee provides feedback on the
redesigned website.
Mr. Carroll introduced the item.
Management Analyst II, Gina Terraneo, provided a brief overview of the
District's new website. She shared that the District worked with Revize LLC,
an established municipal website designer that has been in business for over
20 years and has launched over 1,300 websites nationwide. She added that
Revize has provided the most modern and user-friendly design while
managing to provide services at the same cost as the District's previous
vendor, which was about $6,000 per year. She reviewed the website's
homepage and alert messaging function. She demonstrated the website's
translation abilities. She reviewed the meetings, quick links, recent news,
and social media sections of the homepage. She discussed the main menu
tabs and how the public can contact the District. She reviewed the process
for online service requests. She encouraged the CAC to explore the website
and provide any feedback for improvements.
CAC Vice Chair Lester expressed recognition for the new website and
suggested including a tab under the Contact Us tab for "Missed Trash
Pickups" that connects to the District's online service request system.
CAC Chair Katz expressed recognition for the website and support for CAC
Vice Chair Lester's suggestion. She asked if there is a webpage showcasing
previous project bids.
Ms. Terraneo stated that she believes that the District only saves the winning
project bids. She presented the webpage for current bid opportunities and
District records, which directs users to an outside website, Laserfiche, that
stores all of the District's agreements and contracts.
There was no further discussion.
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C. CLOSING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Committee Member & Staff Comments
CAC Member Corcoran shared an image showing how trash carts create a
bike hazard on Victoria Street and Harbor Blvd.
Mr. Carroll stated that this issue may be a question for the City of Costa Mesa.
He asked CAC Member Corcoran to send the picture to the District Clerk. He
noted that he will share this item with the City's Public Works Director.
There was no further discussion.
Procedural: 2. Board/Staff Comments
CAC Chair Katz inquired about in -person meetings in September.
Mr. Carroll shared that the District is undergoing a few audio/visual
upgrades that will allow for hybrid meetings in the Boardroom at District
Headquarters. He stated that the September CAC meeting will be in -person.
He added that he needs to confirm with District Counsel that hybrid
meetings are allowable under the Brown Act. He noted that he will be
sending out a policy regarding face coverings.
CAC Vice Chair Lester asked if CAC members are required to attend one
Board meeting per year.
Mr. Carroll confirmed that CAC members must attend at least one Board
meeting per year. He noted that it will be easy to attend via teleconference.
He announced that the Board has changed the start time of its Study Sessions
to 8:00 a.m. He added that the regular Board meetings still occur at 4:30 p.m.
There was no further discussion.
Procedural: 3. Adjournment
CAC Chair Katz adjourned the meeting at 7:27 P.M and stated that the next
CAC meeting is scheduled for September 8, 2021.
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Elodie Katz
Citizens Advisory Committee Chair