Minutes - CAC - 2021-03-10COSTA MESA SANITARY DISTRICT
MINUTES OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
MARCH 10, 2021
(TELECONFERENCE MEETING VIA ZOOM)
NOTE: THIS MEETING WAS CONDUCTED UTILIZING TELECONFERENCING PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE
SECTION 54952.2 AND THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN EFFECT WAIVING SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS
OF THAT SECTION.
CAC Members present
Daniel Baume, Adam Ereth, Dickie Fernandez, Judy Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz,
Sue Lester, Phil Marsh, Andrew Nielson, Judy Takaya
CAC Members absent
Monte Fields
Board Members present
Director Art Perry
Staff present
Scott Carroll (General Manager), Noelani Middenway (District Clerk & Public Information
Officer), Mark Esquer (District Engineer), Gina Terraneo (Management Analyst II), Nabila
Guzman (Management Analyst 1)
Others present
None
Meeting called to order at 6:01 p.m.
A. OPENING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Call to Order
CAC Chair Katz called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m.
Procedural: 2. Roll Call
District Clerk & Public Information Officer, Noelani Middenway, conducted roll call.
She noted that Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC) Members Baume, Gielow,
Greiner, Katz, Lester, Nielson, and Takaya were present, while CAC Members
Ereth, Fernandez, Fields, and Marsh were not present. CAC Member Fernandez
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joined the meeting at 6:03 p.m. CAC Member Marsh joined the meeting at 6:14
p.m. CAC Member Ereth joined the meeting at 6:50 p.m.
Procedural: 3. Public Comments - Speakers will be limited to three minutes. The three
minutes per speaker time allotted may be extended for good cause by a majority vote of
the committee.
CAC Chair Katz opened public comments.
Ms. Middenway stated that no written communications were received for the CAC
to review.
Hearing no members of the public wishing to speak, CAC Chair Katz closed public
comments.
B. ITEMS
Action, Discussion: 1. Approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of
January 13, 2021
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee approves the meeting minutes
as presented.
CAC Chair Katz presented the meeting minutes of January 13, 2021. She
requested an edit on page six to clarify her statement regarding EEC
Environmental. She clarified that she was pleased with EEC's transparency in
mentioning that they administer the District's Fats, Oil, and Grease (FOG) Control
Program in addition to auditing the Sewer System Management Plan.
Motion: To approve the Citizens Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes of January
13, 2021 with CAC Chair Katz's correction.
Motion by Sue Lester, second by Seth Greiner.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 8-0-0-3
Ayes: Daniel Baume, Dickie Fernandez, Judy Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz,
Sue Lester, Andrew Nielson, Judy Takaya
No: None
Abstain: None
Not Present: Adam Ereth, Monte Fields, Phil Marsh
There was no further discussion.
Action, Discussion: 2. Discuss Shredding and Cardboard Recycling Events for
Consideration FY 2021-2022 and FY 2022-23
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee provides comments and/or
suggestions regarding proposed shredding and cardboard events.
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Management Analyst I, Nabila Guzman, presented report details. She discussed
the feasibility of hosting a community shredding event and cardboard recycling
event at Orange Coast College (OCC) during Fiscal Years 2021-2022 and 2022-
2023. She stated that District staff is proposing a four-hour shredding event
conducted by Southern California Shredding, which would cost $100 per hour per
shredding truck. She noted that the event would be six hours total, with one hour
for set-up and one hour for clean-up. She noted that the event would require 20
event workers. She added that the District does not have enough staff members
to host this event and would have to budget for the additional cost of 20 workers.
She reviewed other related event costs. She stated that the overall estimated cost
for a four-hour community shredding event is $11,000.
Ms. Guzman discussed the cardboard recycling event, which would also be a four-
hour event and require two cardboard roll -off bins for collection. She stated that
this event would require an additional 17 workers, which the District is unable to
provide. She reviewed other related event costs. She reported that the overall
estimated cost for a four-hour cardboard recycling event is $13,000. She
mentioned that District customers can utilize their Mixed Waste Carts for cardboard
recycling. She noted that the cardboard will be added to the District's waste
stream, and that the District will receive recycling and diversion credit for its
disposal. She discussed other community options for cardboard recycling. She
stated that District staff is requesting feedback and suggestions regarding these
events from the CAC to share with the District's Board of Directors.
CAC Member Greiner asked if the District would receive diversion credit for hosting
the cardboard recycling event.
Ms. Guzman confirmed that the cardboard collected at the event would be counted
towards the District's waste diversion rate. She stated that the event may dissuade
District solid waste customers from utilizing their Mixed Waste Cart for recycling.
CAC Vice Chair Lester shared that she knows a local realtor who rents a shredding
truck for $600 and conducts public shredding events. She inquired if it would be
feasible for the District to sponsor a similar event at an offsite location that would
not require as many additional workers.
General Manager, Scott Carroll, stated that the District will research that type of
event.
CAC Vice Chair Lester stated that she could provide a neutral location for the
event, which could be sponsored by the District.
Mr. Carroll stated that if the District were to sponsor the event, then they may not
need to provide staffing. He inquired if the realtor would share logistical information
regarding past shredding events.
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CAC Vice Chair Lester confirmed that the realtor handles all aspects of their
events. She shared that some participants drop off boxes of paper to be shredded,
while others dump their paper directly into the shredding truck. She noted that the
boxes that get left behind are broken down and recycled. She expressed her
support for the event and offered to volunteer. She commented that the District
can sponsor one or two shredding trucks and possibly offer this type of event every
quarter or biannually.
Mr. Carroll expressed support for CAC Vice Chair Lester's suggestions. He noted
that there is a demand for a community shredding event. However, he stated that
the District may not be able to sponsor a shredding event hosted by a realtor.
CAC Vice Chair Lester clarified that she was not suggesting that the District
sponsor a specific realtor. She recommended sponsoring a shredding event at an
offsite location to lower the overall estimated cost.
Mr. Carroll thanked CAC Vice Chair Lester for her feedback.
CAC Chair Katz inquired if the District has considered partnering with the City of
Costa Mesa so that all trash customers could participate in these events.
Mr. Carroll stated that the District has not considered that option, but noted that
District staff will reach out to the City.
CAC Member Baume suggested having volunteers help with the event to reduce
the number of additional paid workers.
Mr. Carroll noted that there is liability involved with using volunteers for events, but
he expressed support for researching the suggestion.
CAC Chair Katz inquired if CR&R Environmental Services would be willing to help
with the events.
Mr. Carroll stated that, in the past, CR&R has provided staffing for District events,
but that he is unsure as to how many workers they would be able to provide.
Ms. Guzman stated that CR&R has only assisted with events that are listed in their
contract with the District. She noted that the District has asked CR&R for staffing
assistance, but CR&R is not willing to commit to an event at this time due to
COVID-19 restrictions. She added that the District will continue to explore this
option.
CAC Chair Katz thanked Ms. Guzman for the report. She expressed support for a
community shredding event. She recommended partnering with a local high school
to attract students in need of community service hours.
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CAC Member Baume recommended partnering with a local charity like Save Our
Youth, Power of One Foundation, or a local soup kitchen for volunteers.
CAC Vice Chair Lester recommended co -sponsoring the event with the City and
utilizing the City Hall parking lot as a location. She stated that there are a lot of
local groups that can provide volunteers. She noted that by using the City's
property, the District will not have to purchase extra insurance for the events.
CAC Chair Nielson suggested implementing a permanent collection box for
shredding materials at District Headquarters, similar to the District's American Flag
Drop Box and Sharps Disposal Drop Box. He noted that the District could hire a
reputable company to service the shredding drop box. He added that this type of
program could increase the District's visibility in the community.
Mr. Carroll thanked the CAC for their feedback. He noted that he will discuss these
suggestions with the Board.
There was no further discussion.
Action, Discussion: 3. Discuss Public Outreach and Engagement of Hard -to -Reach
Populations
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee makes at least two
recommendations to enhance the District's public outreach and engagement of hard -to -
reach segments of the population.
Management Analyst II, Gina Terraneo, presented report details. She described
the District's efforts to engage hard -to -reach populations, namely the Spanish-
speaking community, which comprises about 29% of Costa Mesa's population.
She shared that the District is in the process of renovating their current website.
She noted that the new website will be launched in July 2021. She asked the CAC
for suggestions on how to enhance the District's outreach to hard -to -each
populations.
CAC Chair Katz inquired about the percentage of District customers that are
Spanish speaking.
Ms. Terraneo stated that the District does not have that information. She added
that she is unsure if the District has a way of identifying a customers' language
preference, but that she will research the matter.
CAC Chair Katz stated that she has noticed a streamlined translation of social
media outreach. She inquired if the District has any metrics from its
communications support and strategy consultant, Tripepi Smith, regarding the
impact of their work.
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Ms. Terraneo stated that the District does not have metrics specifically related to
Spanish-speaking customers, but that the District has experienced increases in
social media followers and engagement. She noted that she will check with Tripepi
Smith to find out if there is a method to collect metrics on Spanish speakers.
CAC Chair Katz suggested handing out a bilingual flyer to students that participate
in the District's Alkaline Battery Program that highlights District programs.
Ms. Terraneo shared that all District flyers have been translated into Spanish. She
noted that the District utilizes the Newport -Mesa Unified School District's (NMUSD)
flyer distribution method, which requires all flyers to be bilingual.
CAC Member Baume stated that, during the 2020 census, Costa Mesa City
Council Member Manuel Chavez was involved in a carpool caravan in his District,
which includes many Spanish-speaking residents. He recommended hosting a
similar type of event to familiarize more residents with the District and to promote
District events like the community shredding event and cardboard recycling event.
Ms. Terraneo requested clarification regarding the event type.
CAC Member Baume stated that a carpool caravan would have about 10-15 cars
with District -colored balloons and signage that parade through neighborhoods in
the District's service area.
Ms. Terraneo noted that she will research the feasibility of a carpool caravan.
CAC Vice Chair Lester expressed support for CAC Member Baume's suggestion.
She acknowledged District staff for their online public outreach efforts. She stated
that most people do not fully read social media posts. She noted that caravanning
through the District's service area with trash trucks in tow will attract residents'
attention.
Ms. Terraneo thanked CAC Vice Chair Lester for her comments and noted that the
District has been trying to focus on short, brief messaging on its social media
platforms.
CAC Chair Katz shared that the Costa Mesa Fire Department had recently paraded
throughout City neighborhoods. She recommended caravanning with CR&R trash
trucks and the District's sewer trucks.
CAC Member Greiner expressed support for a District caravan event to advertise
its programs.
CAC Vice Chair Lester suggested including a local ice cream truck. She offered to
help acquire a fire truck for the caravan event.
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There was no further discussion.
Action, Receive and File: 4. Receive and File Report on Calcium Deposits within the
District Sewer System
Recommendation: That the Citizen Advisory Committee receives and files this report.
Mr. Carroll introduced District Engineer, Mark Esquer, who began working for the
District on February 1, 2021.
Mr. Esquer presented report details and explained the process of removing
calcium from sewer pipelines. He discussed the District's budget proposal for
calcium removal. He reviewed the possible causes of calcium deposits and the
possible removal techniques. He explained the process of relining sewer pipelines
after calcium deposits have been removed. He requested feedback from the CAC
regarding this program.
CAC Member Greiner asked how other local sanitary districts remove calcium
deposits within their sewer system.
Mr. Esquer stated that other districts have used multiple approaches. He noted
that the El Toro Water District has used chemicals to remove calcium deposits. He
added that the Orange County Sanitation District (OCSD) has used a high-
pressure nozzle to remove calcium deposits.
CAC Member Fernandez shared that he currently works for OCSD. He stated that
he is working on an OCSD project that has a lot of calcium buildup in the pipelines.
He reported that he is not permitting the use of chains to remove calcium deposits.
He stated that chains may damage the pipelines. He noted that, to use chains for
calcium removal, the pipe must be completely dry. He discussed the advantages
and disadvantages of using a high-pressure nozzle. He expressed support for the
District's proposal.
CAC Member Baume inquired about using shockwave or ultrasound technology
for removing calcium deposits in the sewer system.
CAC Member Fernandez stated that most of the pipes located in Southern
California are clay pipes, which tend to get very hard and brittle. He stated that
ultrasonic technology has not been applied towards the removal of calcium
deposits. He added that ultrasonic technology would be prohibitively expensive.
CAC Member Baume suggested utilizing ultrasonic technology in addition to using
chains for removing calcium deposits.
CAC Member Fernandez stated that he is not aware of any agency that has used
that approach.
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Mr. Esquer shared that he is a member of the California Association of Sanitary
Sewer Excellence (CASSE). He noted that CASSE has not discussed the use of
an ultrasonic device for this issue. He stated that such technology might not be
readily available for practical research.
CAC Member Fernandez commented that OCSD's project will begin in July 2021.
He stated that he will inform District staff of how OCSD removes calcium deposits.
Mr. Carroll thanked CAC Member Fernandez for his feedback.
CAC Member Greiner thanked Mr. Esquer for his presentation.
CAC Chair Katz thanked Mr. Esquer for his presentation and requested
clarification regarding the focus areas of the proposal.
Mr. Esquer stated that he will be meeting with the District's engineering consultant,
Robin B. Hamers & Associates (RBH), to discuss the most crucial areas within the
District's sewer system.
CAC Chair Katz inquired about the urgency of removing calcium deposits.
Mr. Esquer stated that calcium deposits form over long periods of time. He noted
that the District could wait about 1-3 years to address certain areas of calcium
buildup. He added that the examples included in his presentation have
accumulated over the last 15-20 years.
CAC Chair Katz inquired about acid treatments and any possible environmental
repercussions.
Mr. Esquer stated that pillow plugs seal the sewer walls to prevent any acid
treatments from leaking. He discussed the process of using acid treatments.
CAC Member Greiner asked why certain areas are more prone to calcium deposits
in the sewer system.
Mr. Esquer stated that he has not researched that issue. He recommended funding
projects that repair and reline the sewer pipes rather than researching the main
causes. He noted that there can be multiple causes, especially groundwater
issues, that can contribute to calcium deposits.
CAC Member Fernandez commented that sometimes calcium deposits form from
substances entering through cracks and joints in the sewer system. He discussed
OCSD's calcium removal project and shared that they will be injecting chemical
grout into the sewer joints to preserve the pipe and to maintain flexibility for any
seismic event. He shared that he is coordinating a training for chemical grout
injection and will be inviting OCSD member agencies, including the District.
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Mr. Esquer and the CAC discussed chemical grout injection and the potential
effects of a seismic event on residential sewer laterals.
CAC Vice Chair Lester thanked Mr. Esquer for his presentation and for the CAC's
feedback.
There was no further discussion.
Action, Discussion: 5. Consider Naming a CMSD Facility after Long Time and Former
Board Member, James Ferryman
Recommendation: That the Citizens Advisory Committee recommends that the Board of
Directors approve naming a CMSD facility after long time former Board member, James
Ferryman.
Mr. Carroll presented report details. He described James Ferryman's service to
the community and the District's process for naming a facility. He shared the
options for facilities to be named: District Headquarters, Elden Lift Station, and the
Board/Community Room at District Headquarters.
CAC Member Greiner shared that he has known Mr. Ferryman for many years.
CAC Vice Chair Lester commented that Mr. Ferryman has made numerous
contributions to the community and to the District. She discussed the sign at the
District Yard that is in memory of long-time District Engineer, Rob Hamers. She
expressed support for naming the District facility with the most visibility after Mr.
Ferryman, such as the Elden Lift Station.
Mr. Carroll noted that the District does not receive a lot of visitors to its
Board/Community Room at District Headquarters. He added that, if selected, Mr.
Ferryman's name will be included on all agendas for meetings taking place in that
room. He commented that the Elden Lift Station is located on a busy street.
CAC Member Baume expressed support for recommending the Elden Lift Station.
He suggested adding Mr. Ferryman's name to a District event like the community
shredding event or cardboard recycling event.
CAC Chair Katz asked how many times the District has named a facility.
Mr. Carroll stated that this is only the second time. He noted that the District
adopted the policy after naming the District Yard.
CAC Chair Katz expressed support for naming the Elden Lift Station after Mr.
Ferryman.
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Motion: To name the District's Elden Lift Station and a future event after long-time
former Board member, James Ferryman.
Motion by Daniel Baume, second by Seth Greiner.
Final Resolution: Motion carries 10-0-0-1
Ayes: Daniel Baume, Dickie Fernandez, Judy Gielow, Seth Greiner, Elodie Katz,
Sue Lester, Andrew Neilson, Judy Takaya, Phil Marsh, Adam Ereth
No: None
Abstain: None
Not Present: Monte Fields
There was no further discussion.
C. CLOSING ITEMS
Procedural: 1. Committee Member & Staff Comments
CAC Vice Chair Lester commented that she has enjoyed serving on the CAC. She
stated that she is hopeful that the Board reappoints her to another term. She
thanked her fellow CAC members and District staff for their hard work and
contributions.
CAC Chair Katz stated that tonight's meeting marks the end of the 2019-2021 term
for 5 CAC members. She thanked everyone for their service to the community and
to the District. She noted that all CAC members with expired terms were eligible to
reapply to the CAC for the 2021-2023 term. She added that the Board of Directors
will be reviewing applications for the next term at their March Board meeting.
Mr. Carroll thanked the CAC members for their service on behalf of the Board and
District staff. He noted that the 2019-2021 term ends on April 1, 2021. He thanked
CAC members Katz, Fields, Gielow, Lester, and Takaya for their contributions.
There was no further discussion.
Procedural: 2. Board/Staff Comments
Mr. Esquer thanked the CAC for welcoming him to the District. He shared that the
District started construction to replace the President Pump Station in mid -
February. He stated that, if the CAC would like a presentation or update regarding
the project, to contact him or Mr. Carroll.
CAC Member Gielow inquired about the exact naming of the Elden Lift Station after
Mr. Ferryman.
Mr. Carroll stated that the name would be the "James Ferryman Life Station."
CAC Member Gielow commented that the name is a bit long.
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CAC Vice Chair Lester asked how many terms a person can serve on the CAC.
Ms. Middenway stated that a member can serve a maximum of three consecutive
terms.
CAC Vice Chair Lester commented that the District has limits for CAC member
terms, but no term limits for Board members.
Ms. Middenway confirmed CAC Vice Chair Lester's statement.
There was no further discussion.
Procedural: 3. Adjournment
CAC Chair Katz adjourned the meeting at 7:25 p.m.
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Elodie Katz
Citizens Advisory Committee Chair